Why is your 1:2 Iron man so thin???

[Atheris]

It doesn't really make sense to make a statement about what could be a non-problem that has only been reported by .0002% of people who ordered the thing.

Panicking before you receive it because their MIGHT be a problem is a bit silly.

The problem is that its 2mm thin on average and 1mm at its thinnest. That isnt panicking its FACT, the proof is shown to you right in that picture. Are you trying to say this is the ONLY piece that was made this thin accidentally?

How could this be a "non-problem" they are ALL going to be made like this. So in defense to my original post....I believe it makes all sorts of sense.

Also, Superman is right.......the thin white line next to the ruler is what we are talking about being 1mm thick. Thats where the break is, you can see it clearly. The black boarder you see behind that is the exterior of the leg itself. This leg broke off probably right where that ruler is sitting and then went around the entire leg till it broke off.

Chris

 

[fuzzylojiks]

Three people?

Sorry to chime in, just a little number crunching and no offense to anyone (altho possibly the poster was just kidding).

For 0.0002% to be a good estimate with the 3 to be broken.

(0.0002/100) * total number produced = 3
Total number produced = (100/0.0002) x 3 = 1,500,000

So if only those 3 were broken in the whole line, a total of 1,500,000 statues would have been made. Since we don't have an ES, that is possible, but rather unlikely.....

 

[devilof76]

I'm not speculating percentages. I'm just noting that three people have made it known that they had a problem.

 

[Superman]

I'm not speculating percentages. I'm just noting that three people have made it known that they had a problem.

Well, we are all doing our jobs as customers here pointing out flaws as we do with all Sideshow products. 99% of the time all will have some blemish or flaw and you just have to live with it or risk something worse or more obvious when they send you a replacement. Most of the time they fix the problem with the ones you send back and send them out to those on the waitlist. Ultimately their business model is to expect lots of returns with this piece since the decision to make it this thin was approved. I believe what Sideshow will only do in this case is make the Styrofoam more form fitting and perhaps the box larger to better cushion it while it travels. The statue inside the box needs to be able to be thrown around a bit and survive since we know that will happen during shipping. The only bad thing is a micro-crack or cracks could be there and the statue is intact upon arrival. And normally a micro-crack wouldn't do anything, but in this case you could be in for a surprise when you are moving it around trying to find a place for it. I posted my feelings about this piece early on and was 80% sure I would order one but am glad I decided to wait. Now after seeing three broken pieces, I can gladly say I will not order one until Sideshow adds to the inside of the mold and make it thicker. The whole thing should be half and inch thick in my opinion.. We wouldn't be having this talk if it was. Heck, the 1:3 Predator by Cinematique is solid polystone and costs the same and has a more intricate paint job. This piece being so thin shouldn't be in the same price-point as that piece. Which do you think would be worth more in the future?

 

[RobotOnLine]

Without going back through this entire thread. Has Sideshow ever responded to any of these issues, or are they burying their head in the sand?

 

[Superman]

Without going back through this entire thread. Has Sideshow ever responded to any of these issues, or are they burying their head in the sand?

We got one response from SideshowDusty that the shipping box is being improved. However no mention as to any improvements on the statue itself. Averone who has taken pictures of his posted a message saying he was PM'ing Sideshowdusty. Since his statue is perfect as he's put it, I wonder what it would be about? We all would like to see a thicker casting, and that is all I can hope for so that I can feel more comfortable spending 2 grand on this.

Hey guys, just wanted to let you know I have been looking into this. I found out that there were some problems with our early shipments, and I have heard that there are shipping improvements in the works. As of right now, the packing materials and shipment methods have for sure been kicked up a notch

Due to the very small number of pieces that have gone out - and thus the even smaller number that have had any problem in shipment - chances are that it's not been cycled through Customer Service officially just yet. The Returns department is the dept that deals with the any damage issues.

Basically, it boils down to these options (if you want it - if you don't want it, or never planned on ordering it, that's fine too!):

1) If you really want it, order it. If, when it arrives, you are disappointed in ANY way and don't want to keep it, contact the Returns department and they will issue refund of the purchase price.

2) If you don't want to "take that chance" yet, by all means, wait it out and make your decision after more people have received it and reported back with their thoughts and experiences.

 

[SDJ]

Maybe it's diet and proper exercise! LOL because I didn't buy one. Sorry folks, just in one of those moods.

 

[thx217]

Also - how are you getting 1 mm from this picture? It appears that the white part might be that thin, but the dark red is another 5 mm. Just judging from this picture.

Well, by open your eyes my friend. You only looking at a pic, which clearly illustrated its purpose. I looked at the broken off calf in person. You should spend some money and see it by yourself.

 

[Superman]

Well, by open your eyes my friend. You only looking at a pic, which clearly illustrated its purpose. I looked at the broken off calf in person. You should spend some money and see it by yourself.

LOL..

 

[devilof76]

Well, we are all doing our jobs as customers here pointing out flaws as we do with all Sideshow products. 99% of the time all will have some blemish or flaw and you just have to live with it or risk something worse or more obvious when they send you a replacement. Most of the time they fix the problem with the ones you send back and send them out to those on the waitlist. Ultimately their business model is to expect lots of returns with this piece since the decision to make it this thin was approved. I believe what Sideshow will only do in this case is make the Styrofoam more form fitting and perhaps the box larger to better cushion it while it travels. The statue inside the box needs to be able to be thrown around a bit and survive since we know that will happen during shipping. The only bad thing is a micro-crack or cracks could be there and the statue is intact upon arrival. And normally a micro-crack wouldn't do anything, but in this case you could be in for a surprise when you are moving it around trying to find a place for it. I posted my feelings about this piece early on and was 80% sure I would order one but am glad I decided to wait. Now after seeing three broken pieces, I can gladly say I will not order one until Sideshow adds to the inside of the mold and make it thicker. The whole thing should be half and inch thick in my opinion.. We wouldn't be having this talk if it was. Heck, the 1:3 Predator by Cinematique is solid polystone and costs the same and has a more intricate paint job. This piece being so thin shouldn't be in the same price-point as that piece. Which do you think would be worth more in the future?

Don't know, or care.

But, weren't the dimensions and price posted on the statue's page since it went up?

If someone wants to pay $2000 for a 25lb statue, it is most definitely not my problem. You guys have fun with your lynching.

 

[robomorph]

Most of the time they fix the problem with the ones you send back and send them out to those on the waitlist.

Really? I thought they had a limited returns inventory prepared to replenish faulty pieces.

My experience is that they don't have anybody skilled enough in the returns dept. to effect convincing repairs to damaged statues. And it's hard to imagine the guys who paint up the masters being given the job of fixing up faulties. If anything, it's easier for them to just offer out their returns as defective 'sold as seen' items in the emailed bulletins.

 

[theguru1]

Sideshows Iron man maquette is polystone, fiberglass and metal.....apparently (but its a secret). Completely hollow and about 2mm thin, weighs barely 25lbs (despite being 10" taller than the CM predator)

Really, it only weighs 25lbs, that's not much more then double your average weight of a PF. I mean the Evil Queen I got coming is listed at 12lbs (according to FedEx).

That is seriously light for something at 1:2 (of a full size man). If most of it was fibreglass, then that would be OK, since that can be pretty light but still fairly strong. But if it's more polystone, then the whole thing would have to be almost egg shell thin.

 

[Superman]

Really, it only weighs 25lbs, that's not much more then double your average weight of a PF. I mean the Evil Queen I got coming is listed at 12lbs (according to FedEx).

That is seriously light for something at 1:2 (of a full size man). If most of it was fibreglass, then that would be OK, since that can be pretty light but still fairly strong. But if it's more polystone, then the whole thing would have to be almost egg shell thin.

I have to correct u on this one. It is not eggshell thin. That would be an insult to the Ostrich Egg

 

[greatwall]

The problem is, this piece is $2k not too many people can afford it, so they use this issue to bash this piece. If this piece is solid, it will not make any difference in sale.

The only people should be complaining or criticizing are the actual owners.

What are the damage percentage compare to non-damage one?

 

[Atheris]

The problem is, this piece is $2k not too many people can afford it, so they use this issue to bash this piece. If this piece is solid, it will not make any difference in sale.

The only people should be complaining or criticizing are the actual owners.

What are the damage percentage compare to non-damage one?

Your joking right?....have you read any of my earlier posts?
The debate here is what you are GETTING for this 2k....not the examination of people wallets. I've compared this to CM's predator in previous posts showcasing the quality differences for a piece valued at the same price. Yes, this statue is 2k....and thats more than the average collector might spend. But the majority of people with issues on this piece are people that CAN or are WILLING to spend that kind of money like myself. I collect 1/8 diecast and carbon fiber cars whos average price is between $5000-$6000.....each!. Do I fall into your category of "people complaining because they cant afford it". Or someone with a legitimate concern about what their getting for 2k?

I think the reality is quite the oposite from your statment. The majority of people that dont have any issues with this piece are probably the ones that cant afford it. They have no intention to buy it..so why should they care. Like yourself....

Dont undermine peoples concerns with petty comments about their financial position.....because you dont know what that is. The next piece that could be effected by these same QC issues could be your $200 statue coming to YOU next week. Bite your tongue...

Chris

 

[devilof76]

Bite your own tongue.

I figure the one good reason to care if I'm not buying it is that everytime a Sideshow piece turns up that amounts to a cause for major dissatisfaction for some customers (in this case, 3, and then the inevitable rash of sympathizers) no one can ever manage to be civil in their criticisms. It turns into rude, baseless accusations against those who are presumed to be responsible (intentionally, of course, because Sideshow is corporate and everyone knows corporations are just out to skin you alive...).

In essence, the thread just becomes a soapbox for everyone with an axe to grind over the fact that a company doesn't consider itself to be the obedient servant of its customers. Which is obnoxious, and tends to inspire defense of the company from those who grasp the concept of not buying that which one considers to not be worth the money.

 

[Superman]

Your joking right?....have you read any of my earlier posts?
The debate here is what you are GETTING for this 2k....not the examination of people wallets. I've compared this to CM's predator in previous posts showcasing the quality differences for a piece valued at the same price. Yes, this statue is 2k....and thats more than the average collector might spend. But the majority of people with issues on this piece are people that CAN or are WILLING to spend that kind of money like myself. I collect 1/8 diecast and carbon fiber cars whos average price is between $5000-$6000.....each!. Do I fall into your category of "people complaining because they cant afford it". Or someone with a legitimate concern about what their getting for 2k?

I think the reality is quite the oposite from your statment. The majority of people that dont have any issues with this piece are probably the ones that cant afford it. They have no intention to buy it..so why should they care. Like yourself....

Dont undermine peoples concerns with petty comments about their financial position.....because you dont know what that is. The next piece that could be effected by these same QC issues could be your $200 statue coming to YOU next week. Bite your tongue...

Chris

Well said.. I too can afford this piece, and I would have done a flex-pay anyways which makes it about a car payment for 4 months. With that said I did have full intentions to buy this, and you can read all my posts before the first one arrived damaged which was the first time we all saw how thin this was. I am concerned about future sideshow purchases so I have stopped for now on all polystone statue's until I hear from them about stepping up quality. There is no axe to grind with Sideshow and there is no agenda. All I want is the price to match the quality and a company that listens to its customers. BTW I still have on pre-order and or on a waitlist quite a few statues... I will not cancel them but wait to see how all five of them arrive within the next year before making anymore purchases. I will try and order the Indiana Jones TOD PF but that is it..

 

[greatwall]

It is the same people that been going around bashing Sideshow's IM related stuff.

If this piece is solid, it would not make any difference in sale anyway.

 

[Atheris]

It is the same people that been going around bashing Sideshow's IM related stuff.

If this piece is solid, it would not make any difference in sale anyway.

Really?....how do you figure. Because if it was....I would have bought it!
Theirs the difference right there...

Chris

 

[greatwall]

Really?....how do you figure. Because if it was....I would have bought it!
Theirs the difference right there...

Chris

I would support your accusation more if you owned one that been damaged. Then i think you know what you are talking about.

Your accusation base one one or two bad one. Name one batch of any products you known of that been perfect through their prodution.