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[Motuxmen]

With these modern directors one tenth to a fifth of the movie ends up on the cutting room floor and maybe many years later on some Directors Cut DVD or Blu-Ray if you are lucky.

Nice completly made up numbers. They don't shoot any more now then they did in the past. There's only 24 hours in a day. Even on a modern directors clock.

Film shoots have been pretty much the same for decades. And the amount of film that gets unused is not 1/10. It's a lot more: they shoot at least two teams 10-15 hours a day 4-7 days a week for 2-9 months. Hundreds to thousands of hours don't get used. Not tens of minutes. But nice try.

 

[Motuxmen]

The flying armor bits were introduced in the craptacular Iron Man Three: Lethal Weapon 2 and like everything else in that film the concept sucked the root. The Mk. 5 suitcase suit was as far as the suspension of disbelief could be stretched, imo.

And after Favreau carefully (and brilliantly) grounded Stark's tech in a very real-world feel, it's a pure facepalm as to why Marvel would devolve the armor into Saturday morning cartoon stupidity. Funny how Marvel's turn towards the inane coincided with their control by Disney . . .

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Yea becuase iron man 2 was really grounded in reality. Give me a break.

And disney had nothing to do with it. Marvel studios still has the same control over its films now as it did then. Now they just have more money and a bigger support network.

To evolve the suits and get people to continue to come to the movies the suits needed to evolve. Otherwise instead of flying parts...which is try to the comic so why you blame disney is beyond me...you get nothing.

And even if you don't like im3 millions of people did. It made billions of dollars. More then im1 and im2 together. And shockingly guess what matters to a business? The box office.

 

[Mark 45]

Yea becuase iron man 2 was really grounded in reality. Give me a break.

I think he specifically meant Iron Man 1, even though that's still not completely grounded in reality, it has a pretty good balance of realistic and imaginative elements.

 

[epitaph04]

These are freaking comic book movies. Let's all repeat it together.

Comic book.

Movies.

There's explosions and bad guys and funny **** going on. You want **** grounded in reality? Watch a documentary.

 

[LexiKon318]

These are freaking comic book movies. Let's all repeat it together.

Comic book.

Movies.

There's explosions and bad guys and funny **** going on. You want **** grounded in reality? Watch a documentary.

Muahaha so true

 

[subzro]

These are freaking comic book movies. Let's all repeat it together.

Comic book.

Movies.

There's explosions and bad guys and funny **** going on. You want **** grounded in reality? Watch a documentary.

 

[kiwiatlarge]

I think he specifically meant Iron Man 1, even though that's still not completely grounded in reality, it has a pretty good balance of realistic and imaginative elements.

I dunno... there isn't much resemblance of reality in the first movie... only the part where he built the Mk 1 had some 'that could be done' elements.. but that all pretty much went out the window from the time he took on the afghan rebel group..

 

[Motuxmen]

I think he specifically meant Iron Man 1, even though that's still not completely grounded in reality, it has a pretty good balance of realistic and imaginative elements.

Yea, even if he did. A guy saved in a cave from shrapnel by implanting a car battery into his chest, just so he can build a small clean nuclear power plant to replace it, to hold the shrapnel from moving which is not what a power plant does, nor is it even what a magnet does, just so he can then build a flying steel suit with flame throwers and missiles. That's grounded in reality. But a small piece of a suit with flight is WAY TO CRAZY.

I am also of the mind set that it's a fictional movie, if you like im1 and believe in it you kinda lose the whole "that's not real so I don't like it" argument about im3

 

[kiwiatlarge]

Yea, even if he did. A guy saved in a cave from shrapnel by implanting a car battery into his chest, just so he can build a small clean nuclear power plant to replace it, to hold the shrapnel from moving which is not what a power plant does, nor is it even what a magnet does, just so he can then build a flying steel suit with flame throwers and missiles. That's grounded in reality. But a small piece of a suit with flight is WAY TO CRAZY.

I am also of the mind set that it's a fictional movie, if you like im1 and believe in it you kinda lose the whole "that's not real so I don't like it" argument about im3

I don't care what sort of tech Stark has or uses, the human body cannot withstand a fraction of the punishment that Tony does while suited up. We can suspend a level of belief for a second that it might give him some armour protection from being hit, possibly even by some weaponry... We can stretch things to believe that he is now a human jet-pack, because hey he's a playboy philantropist genius billionaire, but it doesn't matter what he does to one of his suits, it will never stop his internal organs from being crushed by the laws of physics..

But just on the topic as a whole, it is an interesting one, because ever since the Nolan verse Batman, there has been a push for more 'real' representations of superheros. Indeed, it's what I really liked about the first season of Arrow. Sure Oliver was a better archer than is humanly possible, but not to the level of out-thereness that is MCU's Hawkeye. Even the backstory of the island had promise. But once Season 2 came along with Deathstroke, it all became a lot more superhuman, and now it is tied up with the Flash, the whole metahuman stuff comes into play.. The further we go down the MCU path too, the more the more 'normal mortal' Avengers like Hawkeye and Black Widow seem out of place..

 

[The Skull]

It will be interesting to see if hot toys can actually recreate this paint job, looks like a tall order to me!

 

[Motuxmen]

If your watching these comic adaptations for grounded presentations/versions there's only so far that goes. The whole point of comics is escapism. It's just silly to expect them to be accurate to source, grounded, tie-in with other stuff, and realistic all at the same time. It is really just not possible. And I can't understand why you would watch them and get upset about it. Why bother watching?

 

[justdafty]

I don't care what sort of tech Stark has or uses, the human body cannot withstand a fraction of the punishment that Tony does while suited up. We can suspend a level of belief for a second that it might give him some armour protection from being hit, possibly even by some weaponry... We can stretch things to believe that he is now a human jet-pack, because hey he's a playboy philantropist genius billionaire, but it doesn't matter what he does to one of his suits, it will never stop his internal organs from being crushed by the laws of physics..

But just on the topic as a whole, it is an interesting one, because ever since the Nolan verse Batman, there has been a push for more 'real' representations of superheros. Indeed, it's what I really liked about the first season of Arrow. Sure Oliver was a better archer than is humanly possible, but not to the level of out-thereness that is MCU's Hawkeye. Even the backstory of the island had promise. But once Season 2 came along with Deathstroke, it all became a lot more superhuman, and now it is tied up with the Flash, the whole metahuman stuff comes into play.. The further we go down the MCU path too, the more the more 'normal mortal' Avengers like Hawkeye and Black Widow seem out of place..

Pressurization and shock absorbing layers.

 

[justdafty]

D3o - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That solves your impact problems.

 

[Dave_W]

"I prefer the earlier Iron Man films as they have more technological limitations, keeps it as grounded as it can be"

"If you like it go home, if you don't like it go home, if you don't like it go home"

 

[subzro]

D3o - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That solves your impact problems.

Pretty sure Stark would have been very very dead when the MK1 fell out of the sky hard enough to destroy the suit and make a crater in the sand

 

[justdafty]

Pretty sure Stark would have been very very dead when the MK1 fell out of the sky hard enough to destroy the suit and make a crater in the sand

Depending on the terrain and angle of approach, it's possible to survive falling from 12,000 feet without a parachute, and a recorded case of a soldier falling 18,000 feet and surviving. I don't think Stark got that high off the ground. Although I'm not sure how the MK1 armor would factor into the equation with the added weight. He would have to be extremely lucky, and there's no way he would've walked away without almost every bone in his body broken, but it's possible.

 

[e30ernest]

D3o - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That solves your impact problems.

Nah... In every crash (I'll call this a crash) there are three collisions:
- Your vehicle with another object (suit to ground)
- Your body against your vehicle (Tony to his suit)
- Your internal organs to your body (Tony's squishy parts against his bones, etc.)

The third collision is what kills you. You can try to absorb some of the impact energy in the first two collisions, but if you want a film to be grounded in reality, that suit needs to be much bulkier to provide enough internal room to cushion and allow Tony's body to slow down safely.

So really, you cannot bring up "reality" in films like this.

I find it funny too that small pieces of the suit flying to Tony breaks the belief of some, but that's their opinion. Imagine if he actually sweat the suit out of his own body!

 

[subzro]

https://youtu.be/Czy0pXRRZcs

after watching this video Falcon is about the most "realistic" hero right now. I would love to try this but i would probably die

 

[justdafty]

Nah... In every crash (I'll call this a crash) there are three collisions:
- Your vehicle with another object (suit to ground)
- Your body against your vehicle (Tony to his suit)
- Your internal organs to your body (Tony's squishy parts against his bones, etc.)

The third collision is what kills you. You can try to absorb some of the impact energy in the first two collisions, but if you want a film to be grounded in reality, that suit needs to be much bulkier to provide enough internal room to cushion and allow Tony's body to slow down safely.

So really, you cannot bring up "reality" in films like this.

I find it funny too that small pieces of the suit flying to Tony breaks the belief of some, but that's their opinion. Imagine if he actually sweat the suit out of his own body!

When I said impact I was referring to bullets/fists/shields/hammers. Falling out of the sky is a completely different animal to tame.

 

[CatWoman'sPenPal]

Nice completly made up numbers. They don't shoot any more now then they did in the past. There's only 24 hours in a day. Even on a modern directors clock.

Film shoots have been pretty much the same for decades. And the amount of film that gets unused is not 1/10. It's a lot more: they shoot at least two teams 10-15 hours a day 4-7 days a week for 2-9 months. Hundreds to thousands of hours don't get used. Not tens of minutes. But nice try.

Dude... get a brain, please.