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This figure is a cluster **** of inaccuracies, artistic license, and fan-boy voyeurism. I both love it and hate it for previously assigned reasons.
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To be fair, Yoda in the PT saber battle didn't have to deal with gravity.
The Vader/Ben duel is very low energy and short (I just watched it too.) Still not sure why Ben didn't give it his all rather than doing the hari-kari routine.
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Agreed. That fight scene is garbage. Its the one scene in ANH I fast forward. The fighting in the PT is superb, specifically in ROTS.
Lejuan
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The Obi Wan vs Vader duel was more than just fighting, it was philosophical. I can't remember a single distinct fight scene in any of the prequels that wasn't so outrageously over the top they might as well have all been the same battle.
anwe
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Just going by pics so far, it isn't a very impressive looking figure.
It's like hearing "Swedish twins" and you imagining this...
That is just false advertising there. One day, not tomorrow maybe but one day you will wake up to this:
devilof76
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And she'll be looking at this.
anwe
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My picture is the actual mother of the aformentioned Swedish twins.
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And she'll be looking at this.
Wait, they've announced Yoda already?
Lejuan
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I doubt I'd grow bored enough of the twins to want to bed their mother but maybe, who knows.
anwe
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That is just unfair. That's the new TFA Luke.
So I guess you weren't planning to stay around that long then?
Lejuan
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So I guess you weren't planning to stay around that long then?
Ménage-a-quatre does afford a lot of options...
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The ANH duel isn't exactly great choreography or high energy, I'll give you that, but PT fight choreography is problematic for me. I was (and still am) wowed by the Maul scene at the end of Phantom Menace, but that's really where everything went off the rails. I think that they made everything over-complicated and acrobatic when all they needed to sell the lethality and speed was a ferocious Kendo style of combat that would have at least blended better with the OT scenes.
One of the PT problems was that all Jedi became Flying Superhero Ninjas. It's not as if a lightsaber isn't dangerous enough without having to remove real-world physics and limitations to make it more scary. The PT degenerated into a video game.
Agreed.
Too Much Garlic
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There are differences in sword combat. You can have the filmic acrobatic over-choreographed dance routine or you can have the battle to the death. All you need is for your blade to hit your opponent and he's basically instantly scarred. Flipping, jumping, twisting, spinning all seemed to be choreographed to go after the blade, not the body, so there was absolutely NO danger in any of those PT fights. The only fight that seemed to have any sense of purpose to actively kill the other opponent was the Obi-Wan vs Maul fight, but it was encapsulated in a stupid nooooooo at the beginning and ending with an overly stupid way of Obi-Wan defeating Maul... so it lost all meaning.
That's what happens when you switch from a certain sword fighting style to a completely different one for the prequels - you remove any form of continuity between the PT and OT. + in the PT the lightsabers look like fluorescent tubes, not deadly pulsating, sputtering, flickering laser swords that give out static discharges when the blades get close and not even only when they touch. They felt deadly and you understood why only the Jedi would want to use such a volatile weapon that could blow up in your hands at any minute.
Back to HT Vader. Yup. The helmet has a droopy face and the dome isn't wide enough.
That's what happens when you switch from a certain sword fighting style to a completely different one for the prequels - you remove any form of continuity between the PT and OT. + in the PT the lightsabers look like fluorescent tubes, not deadly pulsating, sputtering, flickering laser swords that give out static discharges when the blades get close and not even only when they touch. They felt deadly and you understood why only the Jedi would want to use such a volatile weapon that could blow up in your hands at any minute.
Back to HT Vader. Yup. The helmet has a droopy face and the dome isn't wide enough.
eczamurai
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I disagree, the OT fights felt like actual fights.
The PT trilogy fights were more dancing than fighting. I certainly hope they revert back to OT style fighting. Where every swing has the potential to kill instead of show off.
Especially Luke / Vader duals shows this. The first fight you see Luke giving his all with full intention to kill while being truly outweighted by Vader, who has killing as a second objective, turning him as a first. This leads to Luke actually getting a hit in on Vader's shoulder, who, if he didn't have his fancy armor, would actually have died. After this hit he realises Luke is actually more dangerous than he anticipated and ends it quickly. The second fight is even more tense IMO, as they both hold back because those lightsabers can kill, and Vader prefers turning Luke while Luke prefers turning Vader, so neither have the intention to kill but they do hold extremely dangerous weapons, but both of them don't truly know whether the other is capable of killing. And in the end when Luke goes mental you see Vader scared for his life, he can't do the same back to Luke. I miss this feeling of pressure in the PT. In ANY fight. There is just no tension in them, no true test of strength nor patience. Just limberness. -_-
Watch real swordfights and you will see what I mean. One wrong move and it's game over.
I do hope the new films will have tension in fights, for example Luke fighting Han or Leia or his own students would be extremely interesting for the exact same reasons. There is emotion there.
Now obviously the Obi-Anakin fight in ROTS was intended to have emotional impact, but it just didn't for 2 reasons:
Choreography, fáár too rediculous to hold any weight, and Hayden Christonson's "acting".
Repped.
Also, the best, most raw duel in the PT is actually the FIRST one between Maul and Qui-Gon (in the desert). The quick-cut close ups were a clear cheat on Lucas' part, and it was very short... but that fight actually had energy and felt like a lightsaber duel.
eczamurai
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I feel sorry for Ewan Mcgregor. Somewhere I wish JJ Abrams would just redo the PT with a new script but with Ewan still. And Hayden, because **** it.
I think Hayden would be fine with a real director and a better script (as he has shown in other films).
eczamurai
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Repped.
Also, the best, most raw duel in the PT is actually the FIRST one between Maul and Qui-Gon (in the desert). The quick-cut close ups were a clear cheat on Lucas' part, and it was very short... but that fight actually had energy and felt like a lightsaber duel.
Indeed! How do I rep you?
That fight was actually good indeed! I almost forgot all about it, there was clear intent to kill on both accounts while both fearing for their own lives. And Qui Gon actually fearing for the other's lives at the same time. God I love Liam Neeson. Why did they kill his character!?
This also shows that long fights does not equal good fights.
Sidewinder
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I agree they were over the top in the PT. Which really shouldn't have been the case considering they already had the OT to work with in terms of how the fighting should look.
There's just far too much CGI used in the PT and much of it hasn't aged well either.
All those added CGI scenes to the OT were completely unnecessary as well.
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I've trained in martial arts and fought in the ring. I recently began fencing and noticed an immediate, chilling difference. You can get hurt in hand-to-hand combat very quickly, but unless you're hopelessly outmatched in some way, you have a little more time.
Put a sword into the equation...even a simple fencing foil, never mind a freaking LIGHTSABER...and you see that with just one error you will die, in under a second.
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