1/6 Hot Toys - MMS - Ant-Man: Yellowjacket Collectible Figure

[LOTRfan85]

At face value, I thought Yellowjacket was okay. Not great, but definitely not forgettable either. He had a really cool costume, heck one of the best in the MCU so far, and a memorably fierce personality (like really bat-sh!+ insane fierce).

On a meta-textual level though, I thought it was quite amusing that Hank hates him for seeing too much of "himself" in him. The weird part was, his overall role felt like he was a cross between Yellowjacket-Hank and Ultron.

Personally, I think the best MCU villains by far are (in no particular order) Fisk, Loki, Bucky and Ultron. Admittedly I do feel like Ultron's role is being greatly underestimated by a lot of folks especially given how his very inception as well as the results of his actions fair against other MCU villains. AOU will essentially stand as the most Avengers-like film that the main Avengers will ever get, and it's only after we get more films down the line will people look back on it and see just that.

I think Ultron has been the best villain to date by a country mile, while I would have liked to have seen a different defeat for Ultron, he owned captain america and thor, has created a legacy which will lead up to civil war and was even mentioned in antman, Hulk has gone AWOL. He has left quiet a mark on the avengers, that no one else has done. Winter soldier has been the only villain so far that matches up to Ultron has a villain. When the MCU universe is over, I will remember Ultron has one of the best villains, and I would not rule out his return in the avengers IW part 1 or 2. His 2 point plan would have defeated them all, and it was a plan that I would have bought would defeat them, especially if he transferred his life-force into vision

Spader's performance just added that sinister touch to ultron with his greatest quote - when the earth starts to, settle, GOD THROWS A STONE AT it, and believe me he's winding up

Ultron had such a biblical psychotic personality, and his goal to flush out and extract the weak, and in his eyes the next stage of evolution, was human extinction. Now that's a damn fine villain which was that close from happening, yes we have all seen end of the world plans with villains, it was just executed with such brilliance with Ultron, I could watch spaders performance has Ultron all day long

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

Loki is the best MCU villain imo and second best isn't even close. I'm not sure if Ultron makes my top 3...

 

[Jaycepticon]

Loki is the best MCU villain imo and second best isn't even close. I'm not sure if Ultron makes my top 3...

Agreed. But then again, he's been allowed to develop since the first Thor movie, while every other villain was kinda just there. But I'm not complaining and I can't wait to see him back. Him posing as Odin was a great cliffhanger in TDW.

But back to Ultron, I never got the feeling he was a threat in AOU probably due to the fact that they announced the entire MCU map for the next 5 years with that said, I'd still love to own an Ultimate Ultron figure.

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

Agreed. But then again, he's been allowed to develop since the first Thor movie, while every other villain was kinda just there. But I'm not complaining and I can't wait to see him back. Him posing as Odin was a great cliffhanger in TDW.

But back to Ultron, I never got the feeling he was a threat in AOU probably sue to the fact that they announced the entire MCU map for the next 5 years with that said, I'd still love to own an Ultimate Ultron figure.

Agreed. 3 things that would have made AOU enormously better imo: way better editing; Ultron taking over Stark's suits and turning them all against the Avengers; Ultron winning the final fight.

 

[LOTRfan85]

Agreed. But then again, he's been allowed to develop since the first Thor movie, while every other villain was kinda just there. But I'm not complaining and I can't wait to see him back. Him posing as Odin was a great cliffhanger in TDW.

But back to Ultron, I never got the feeling he was a threat in AOU probably due to the fact that they announced the entire MCU map for the next 5 years with that said, I'd still love to own an Ultimate Ultron figure.

If we look at the grander picture yea, same has Lord of the rings we knew sauron was never going to win. But that should not really put off the fact Ultron was a very serious threat, probably if it was up to josh he would keep Ultron alive. And I would not rule out Ultron's return in the next avengers film, considering he download allot of his life force into the visions body

Loki is the best MCU villain imo and second best isn't even close. I'm not sure if Ultron makes my top 3...

All we have seen from Loki is getting ***** slapped by Thor, Ultron had Thor in the palm of his hands only to be saved by vision, it's a rare thing to be seen Thor getting physically overpowered by a villain, which shows how strong Ultron is. So while Ultron was in it for one film, he was still more of a threat than Loki in terms of the grand plan, was more of a threat for earths survival, and I would say a much better villain than Loki

Until we see thanos and what he can fully do, Ultron probably has been MCU first badass villain.

 

[ronri]

But back to Ultron, I never got the feeling he was a threat in AOU probably due to the fact that they announced the entire MCU map for the next 5 years with that said, I'd still love to own an Ultimate Ultron figure.

I thought that was a really stupid move on Marvel's part. It really undermined the entire marketing behind AOU as a significant entry in the MCU and the whole 5-year plan just screamed "but wait there's moar and uhhh... INFINITY WAR amirite?"

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

All we have seen from Loki is getting ***** slapped by Thor

You're giving Loki zero credit imo.

I think you've forgotten Loki ***** slapped Thor around quite a bit in the first Thor, as well as shivved him in the ribs dropping Thor to the canvas in the Avengers. Loki killed a bunch of minions in Jotunheim in the 1st Thor, was shown killing a bunch of Malekith's minions in TDW, and tossed Stark out of his tower by his neck with one hand in the Avengers. So he's far from being a sissy, as I'm pretty sure he has more blood on his hands then Ultron. Loki got the better of Heimdall as well, no easy feat.

Loki manipulated a king (whom he later killed) to gain control over the entire Chitauri army which he unleashed on Earth leaving quite a devastating impression in the aftermath as well as manipulated the Avengers during his 'capture'. And we're not done with Loki, as we last saw him sitting on Odin's throne concocting his next plan, which will undoubtedly be better than what we saw from Ultron.

Loki has far more brains than Ultron had ever shown (like I said, Ultron never even bothered trying turning Stark's suits against the Avengers) and enough brawn to make a solid villain in my book, and he's a god to boot. Not only that, Hiddleston kills the character the way RDJ kills Stark - perfection.

 

[Motuxmen]

I thought that was a really stupid move on Marvel's part. It really undermined the entire marketing behind AOU as a significant entry in the MCU and the whole 5-year plan just screamed "but wait there's moar and uhhh... INFINITY WAR amirite?"

That's just part of the cinema world. Same reason DC did it. And Sony. And Fox. So other tent pole films are schedule away from each other's studio. It's better for both studios that way. They didn't announce the plot or every detail. If they don't do this you may end up with Star Wars, batman, bond, jurrasic park all the same week.

 

[ronri]

That's just part of the cinema world. Same reason DC did it. And Sony. And Fox. So other tent pole films are schedule away from each other's studio. It's better for both studios that way. They didn't announce the plot or every detail. If they don't do this you may end up with Star Wars, batman, bond, jurrasic park all the same week.

I don't mean that it's necessarily bad, rather it was a silly move to put out the first AOU trailer during the very same announcement of all their planned upcoming films with the blatant teaser for Infinity War.

 

[kiwiatlarge]

I thought Loki held his own purely on physical terms pretty well considering. From day 1 we've had this theme of Thor being the second baddest ass in his 'world' next to Odin, but Loki has done a pretty good job in combat every single time, including against Thor... (the "puny God" thing was just for lol's, and in the end Loki did shake it off)... Nothing really happened in the first 3/4 of The Avengers without Loki orchestrating it or letting it happen.. (kinda like Palpatine)

 

[WWEJedi]

Red Skull is the best villain.

 

[sithlord13]

Watched ant man again last night. Yellowjacket came across even more one dimensional second time round but I still like him. Also not sure about how well the genie is back in the bottle

Still loved the fight again and I think had they made it clear that the particles had turned in mad-maybe a flashback to non mad Darren ? It would hVe excuse the nuttiness

 

[LOTRfan85]

You're giving Loki zero credit imo.

I think you've forgotten Loki ***** slapped Thor around quite a bit in the first Thor, as well as shivved him in the ribs dropping Thor to the canvas in the Avengers. Loki killed a bunch of minions in Jotunheim in the 1st Thor, was shown killing a bunch of Malekith's minions in TDW, and tossed Stark out of his tower by his neck with one hand in the Avengers. So he's far from being a sissy, as I'm pretty sure he has more blood on his hands then Ultron. Loki got the better of Heimdall as well, no easy feat.

Loki manipulated a king (whom he later killed) to gain control over the entire Chitauri army which he unleashed on Earth leaving quite a devastating impression in the aftermath as well as manipulated the Avengers during his 'capture'. And we're not done with Loki, as we last saw him sitting on Odin's throne concocting his next plan, which will undoubtedly be better than what we saw from Ultron.

Loki has far more brains than Ultron had ever shown (like I said, Ultron never even bothered trying turning Stark's suits against the Avengers) and enough brawn to make a solid villain in my book, and he's a god to boot. Not only that, Hiddleston kills the character the way RDJ kills Stark - perfection.

Loki never did anything in the avengers, has for the manipulation during his capture that was a myth, remember Tony was unmasking shield, and it was shields secrets that Tony was exposing that was tipping Bruce over the edge. Loki is a good character, not a good villain. And if Loki actually did sit tight all those years, he would have been given the throne, since Thor does not want it

Has for Ultron not using the suits against the avengers yes I agree with, but his deception of getting the twins on board with him was pretty good. And if scarlet witch never looked into Ultron's mind, Ultron wins because he would have transferred all his Essence into the vision body. Ultron was very unlucky, jarvas had blocked Ultron from getting to the nuclear codes, and he was this close from getting the vision body which Ultron's mess goal, because he had to keep building body's. I say scarlet witch saved the day, not the avengers who were blitzed on the first half of the movie, and we're almost totally defeated if Ultron became Ultron vision

Your comparing Ultron against Loki 3 movies to 1, if you look at Ultron's situation he was looking at Global extinction. You saw the town of aou during Ultron's final plan, allot of people were expected to die. But avengers seemed determined not to see anyone die. So that had something to do with Ultron's death toll not so high

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

Loki never did anything in the avengers, has for the manipulation during his capture that was a myth, remember Tony was unmasking shield, and it was shields secrets that Tony was exposing that was tipping Bruce over the edge. Loki is a good character, not a good villain. And if Loki actually did sit tight all those years, he would have been given the throne, since Thor does not want it

Has for Ultron not using the suits against the avengers yes I agree with, but his deception of getting the twins on board with him was pretty good. And if scarlet witch never looked into Ultron's mind, Ultron wins because he would have transferred all his Essence into the vision body. Ultron was very unlucky, jarvas had blocked Ultron from getting to the nuclear codes, and he was this close from getting the vision body which Ultron's mess goal, because he had to keep building body's. I say scarlet witch saved the day, not the avengers who were blitzed on the first half of the movie, and we're almost totally defeated if Ultron became Ultron vision

We can agree to disagree

Ultron was a let down for me in the film as it progressed, he was far more sinister in the trailers. He looked cool and Spader's voice worked well, but inferior Jarvis kicking his butt the whole time on the down low doesn't speak highly of Ultron's intelligence, and why bother with nuclear codes when Ultron could be taking over Avengers Tower, Stark Industries, any/every IM suit Tony has available, SHIELD, etc? Heck, even the Mandarin went after Stark at his home and destroyed it and nearly killed Tony & Pepper. Being an advanced AI who plugs into everything on the planet yet doesn't even consider the idea of turning Stark's arsenal against the Avengers is unforgivable lol. Ultron and his drones scouring the planet harvesting resources for him to keep upgrading his form for the majority of the film was a snoozer. And there's that whole thing where Ultron captures Black Widow - for no reason and that led nowhere.

 

[LOTRfan85]

We can agree to disagree

Ultron was a let down for me in the film as it progressed, he was far more sinister in the trailers. He looked cool and Spader's voice worked well, but inferior Jarvis kicking his butt the whole time on the down low doesn't speak highly of Ultron's intelligence, and why bother with nuclear codes when Ultron could be taking over Avengers Tower, Stark Industries, any/every IM suit Tony has available, SHIELD, etc? Heck, even the Mandarin went after Stark at his home and destroyed it and nearly killed Tony & Pepper. Being an advanced AI who plugs into everything on the planet yet doesn't even consider the idea of turning Stark's arsenal against the Avengers is unforgivable lol. Ultron and his drones scouring the planet harvesting resources for him to keep upgrading his form for the majority of the film was a snoozer. And there's that whole thing where Ultron captures Black Widow - for no reason and that led nowhere.

Fair enough

The nuclear codes wipes earth from existence, it was a quicker plan for Ultron efficiency he was after, but ultron should have have taken over stark tower etc crippling the avengers, that I agree Ultron should have used tony's tech. Ultron was not perfect, hell I would have changed a few things, same has loki's performance in AA, loki should have been written better, its more like josh should have given more to the script for Ultron to do, same with Loki. But like every film after iron man 1, marvel studious do give the directors problems. Despite the plot holes like every MCU film, Ultron still almost wins this battle in the middle of the film that is why I think he is one of the best. He got the vision body, the avengers were floored scattered having to go under the raider, and Ultron was all set to become ultron vision. So he has crushed the avengers within an hour of the film, he just could not get over the finishing line by becoming Ultron Vision. Ultron's ace in the hole Scarlet Witch and Ultron's blind anger towards the human race becomes his undoing, but it was a gamble for Ultron that almost payed off. So I say that one power scarlet witch has got, mind manipulation is what defeats Ultron.

So while I agree Ultron should have used Tony's tech against the avengers, Ultron makes up for that when we look at the first half of the movie, Ultron's manipulation of the twins does kick the avengers ass, forcing the avengers to go under the raider, and that almost gives Ultron the perfect chance to become Ultron vision, he does that? Ultron wins. We also factor in, with ultron distracting iron man, captain america and thor when Ultron and the twins all go collect the vibranium, he gets scarlet witch to manipulate HULK, and that in the end leads to longer term effects of Hulk going AWOL at the end of AOU, and this leads to civil war. So Ultron has left more devastating effects on the teams different idea's on what they want, loki brought the avengers together, Ultron has ripped apart the group, and tony's reputation is a mess.

The 2 things Ultron should have done?

1 hacked into Tony's tech, unless Jarvis was still fighting with Ultron through out the film

2 Ultron should have killed black widow, that keeps bruce in check and he does not become HULk. But if Ultron does kill black widow, that may have tipped Hulk over the edge

Ultron does 1 and 2, quiet possibly Ultron would have won in AOU. But scarlet witch really was the key to beating Ultron, because the avengers were beaten and they had no idea where Ultron was, when he was starting the download into the vision body, Ultron really underestimated the power she had looking into everyone's mind

That is why I think Ultron is one of the best, he has left more lasting effects on tony's reputation, and with HULK going AWOL

well that is my thoughts

 

[Chr0n0]

Fair enough

1 hacked into Tony's tech, unless Jarvis was still fighting with Ultron through out the film

well that is my thoughts

JARVIS was still fighting him, it's mentioned a few times throughout the film. Tony's realisation of this is key to the attempt to upload of JARVIS into the Vision body.

 

[guy66657]

Does he only find out that Jarvis is still alive when he found out about who was keeping Ultron from getting the nuclear codes? Cause people were throwing **** fits that Tony didn't seem sad at all when he found out Jarvis died.

 

[Medusoid]

I hope this comes with a tiny Yellowjacket figure and train. That would make this an instant purchase for me.

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

Fair enough

The nuclear codes wipes earth from existence, it was a quicker plan for Ultron efficiency he was after, but ultron should have have taken over stark tower etc crippling the avengers, that I agree Ultron should have used tony's tech. Ultron was not perfect, hell I would have changed a few things, same has loki's performance in AA, loki should have been written better, its more like josh should have given more to the script for Ultron to do, same with Loki. But like every film after iron man 1, marvel studious do give the directors problems. Despite the plot holes like every MCU film, Ultron still almost wins this battle in the middle of the film that is why I think he is one of the best. He got the vision body, the avengers were floored scattered having to go under the raider, and Ultron was all set to become ultron vision. So he has crushed the avengers within an hour of the film, he just could not get over the finishing line by becoming Ultron Vision. Ultron's ace in the hole Scarlet Witch and Ultron's blind anger towards the human race becomes his undoing, but it was a gamble for Ultron that almost payed off. So I say that one power scarlet witch has got, mind manipulation is what defeats Ultron.

So while I agree Ultron should have used Tony's tech against the avengers, Ultron makes up for that when we look at the first half of the movie, Ultron's manipulation of the twins does kick the avengers ass, forcing the avengers to go under the raider, and that almost gives Ultron the perfect chance to become Ultron vision, he does that? Ultron wins. We also factor in, with ultron distracting iron man, captain america and thor when Ultron and the twins all go collect the vibranium, he gets scarlet witch to manipulate HULK, and that in the end leads to longer term effects of Hulk going AWOL at the end of AOU, and this leads to civil war. So Ultron has left more devastating effects on the teams different idea's on what they want, loki brought the avengers together, Ultron has ripped apart the group, and tony's reputation is a mess.

The 2 things Ultron should have done?

1 hacked into Tony's tech, unless Jarvis was still fighting with Ultron through out the film

2 Ultron should have killed black widow, that keeps bruce in check and he does not become HULk. But if Ultron does kill black widow, that may have tipped Hulk over the edge

Ultron does 1 and 2, quiet possibly Ultron would have won in AOU. But scarlet witch really was the key to beating Ultron, because the avengers were beaten and they had no idea where Ultron was, when he was starting the download into the vision body, Ultron really underestimated the power she had looking into everyone's mind

That is why I think Ultron is one of the best, he has left more lasting effects on tony's reputation, and with HULK going AWOL

well that is my thoughts

Interesting.

When it comes to Ultron in the end I'm left feeling his full potential wasn't even close to being utilized, as we've both pointed out multiple ways he could've been vastly improved on screen and considered a far bigger foe. I'm left with no choice but to dock Ultron points there on my 'Top Villains' list I guess lol.

It's funny you mention that part I highlighted in red. When I saw the first AOU trailer, I thought Ultron would be the prime opportunity for Marvel to take a page out of the Star Wars: Empire Strikes Back playbook and end the film with the bad guys winning, having the upper hand or at least breaking even. Missed opportunity imo, b/c if Ultron ends AOU beating the Avengers there will be few people on the planet who don't go see the next couple Marvel films lol.

 

[LOTRfan85]

Interesting.

When it comes to Ultron in the end I'm left feeling his full potential wasn't even close to being utilized, as we've both pointed out multiple ways he could've been vastly improved on screen and considered a far bigger foe. I'm left with no choice but to dock Ultron points there on my 'Top Villains' list I guess lol.

It's funny you mention that part I highlighted in red. When I saw the first AOU trailer, I thought Ultron would be the prime opportunity for Marvel to take a page out of the Star Wars: Empire Strikes Back playbook and end the film with the bad guys winning, having the upper hand or at least breaking even. Missed opportunity imo, b/c if Ultron ends AOU beating the Avengers there will be few people on the planet who don't go see the next couple Marvel films lol.

I do not think Marvel wanted a cliffhanger with AOU, that is going to be kept for Thanos where I expect casualty's of 3 or 4 avengers killed. If that infinity gantlet is going to really play a huge part, then we got to see a few deaths, and if he gains the time stone we could see Ultron's return, who knows

I think Ultron suffered from marvels MCU plans, and we got to face the facts that its always going to have a safe bet with how films end with Marvel, which could give thanos hope with the new directors its 2 parts. Still for what Ultron could have been, and what we did get, he has still been my fave villain because of the legacy he has left behind, with the avengers not on the same page, and HULK gone AWOL. His man handling of captain america, beating 2 bells out of Thor and how he beat the avengers within an hour of the film, yes scarlet witch had played a huge part in that. But if she continued to be brain washed by ultron, ultron becomes Ultron vision, Ultron wins. So while more potential could have been used with Ultron, the first half performance of Ultron was a fantastic 10 that felt like his potential was realized, because the avengers were scattered stuck on a ranch, that makes up for ultron not destroying stark tower or using tony's suits against him, because Ultron got what he wanted at that point with the vision body

What would I have changed with Ultron? its hard to say. I think we could have seen more of Ultrons hacking ability, destroy the avengers tech, basically put earth in a stand still the day the earth stood still style. Apart from that, I would have kept everything the same with how he is written, throughout the film his manipulation and taking advantage of the twins vulnerability almost give Ultron victory, and helped using their powers to not only get the best of the avengers, but flooring them, Ultron really did kick the avengers ass in the first half of the film. I like the fact ultron's plans is evolution, always wanting to better himself needing a new body to the point no one could stop him. I would have changed his defeat, vision and ultron should have been the final battle, and when saving earth? vision distracts ultron to stop the island from destroying earth, Ultron retreats, hes out of the net, and he could have been part of future MCU films, because Ultron is too good to be killed.

The avengers were very lucky that Ultron's hatred going through his mind is what defeat's Ultron, which is how scarlet witch was able to see the hatred in Ultron's mind. The 3 hour cut of AOU could really tie allot of why Ultron is what he is, even though Josh said no to the Directors cut, I want to see that AOU directors cut

I do not think Ultron is done, I think allot of his lifeforce is in that vision body, and I do hope his return will see him get revenge over scarlet witch and vision, because I expect thanos to have allot of blood on his hands, with vision being one of the casualty's